Re: [leafnode-list] Closure of this list

[Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@xxxxxx>]

Cornelius Krasel schrieb am 2003-12-16:

> Due to novel restrictions imposed by the (increasingly incompetent)
> computer center, this list will pass out of existence on or around
> January 15th, 2004.

O-Ho. Can't seem to find the new restrictions on their web site
"Neuigkeiten" and there seems to be no public mailing list archive. Do
they feel ashamed already? (-:

> If nobody disagrees, I will forward a list with the email addresses of
> current members to Matthias Andree so that he (or someone else) can
> establish a replacement.

Now that it's going to be pressing, these are my thoughts on the topics:

* MAILING LISTS

I would like to see the list run by either Mailman 2.1 or, if that isn't
available, by ezmlm-idx. Either one allows remote administration and
does not force the user into web interfaces to set options.

I had hoped that SourceForge was switching to Mailman 2.1 but no visible
action has taken place in months.

I may have the chance to host the stuff on a Mailman 2.1.2 or 2.1.3
list, we'll know more tomorrow.

As to ecartis (formerly known as listar), I'm a bit sceptical as to its
quality and consistency. The web site is horribly outdated, and I find
it unconcise and don't feel well-informed. I tried to set it up on my
home machine when it was still called listar, and I found the
documentation lacking, particularly with respect to LSG/2.
Short: I don't trust it.

If you can offer long-term Mailman 2.1 or ezmlm-idx hosting, let me know.

* WEB HOSTING

SourceForge can easily serve web pages for www.leafnode.org in addition
to leafnode.sourceforge.net, they call it VHOST and I configured it,
sourceforge will serve the same content for either
http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/ or http://www.leafnode.org/. The latter
isn't currently configured in leafnode's DNS. If you want to try it
today, stuff "66.35.250.210 www.leafnode.org" into your /etc/hosts, and
surf with deactivated proxy to http://www.leafnode.org/

I'll send detailed DNS resource records once we know who's taking the
DNS and after the content has moved.

I'd suggest that I just copy over the web site and update the content
for now. I won't be able to do this today, but hopefully before the end
of the week. Some revision of the design, integration of the new FAQ and
mandree.home.pages.de content can then happen later, probably week 1/04
(Dec 29/30 maybe), and it shall likely be based around CSS, which will
look a bit dull but still provide the full content with text-mode
browsers or Netscape 4.

The open issue here is the mailing list archive. I don't know offhand if
I can run indexers such as Ht://Dig at SF, I'd tend to believe I cannot.
Fredi has a searchable archive, and gmane.org also hosts the list, but
an official archive would be good.

Failing everything, it should be possible to let Google crawl the web
site and have them index the list for us.

* DNS AND DOMAIN HOSTING

The open issue. I have no ideas how this all works, and how much it
would cost to have a freely configurable DNS setup for leafnode.org and,
if not too expensive, a configurable mail setup that allows for address
extensions (needed for the list), supports forward and maybe mailboxes
via ODMR, UUCP or POP3 with reliable multidrop. The el-cheapo hosters
with "you're getting 5/20/100 mailboxes" usually won't do. We DO need
one copy per RECIPIENT (not per mail) and a RELIABLE X-Original-To: or
Delivered-To: header. So, most sendmail-based hosting is out of the
play.

I can help configure such a thing with Postfix or qmail, and I know it's
possible with Exim and think it should also be possible with Courier, in
case someone is offering his rented server, a Linux Virtual Server or
BSD jail as MX host. The latter might be easiest for you as it'd place
the configuration burden on myself.

Ideally, we'd have a setup that allowed us to forward list mail for
someuser+extension@xxxxxxxxxxxx to otherlocal+extension@otherdomain and
otheruser@xxxxxxxxxxxx to freeform@xxxxxxxxxxxx Postfix and Exim support
this, qmail after recompilation, sendmail well may stand in its own way
exposing all local addresses in all virtual domains...

I'd really appreciate if someone else could help with the domain
hosting, I don't want to crash-land this part.

* FTP MIRRORS

Some sites mirror ftp://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/ - these would
have to be notified to mirror from sourceforge instead. We'd need the
contact addresses.

Thanks for reading this far.

-- 
Matthias Andree

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